XIII. January 5-January 16, 1998:
The Affidavit
On January 5, 1998, Ms. Lewinsky's attorney, Francis Carter,
drafted an affidavit for Ms. Lewinsky in an attempt to avert her
deposition. She spoke with the President that evening. On
January 6, Ms. Lewinsky talked to Mr. Jordan about the affidavit,
which denied any sexual relations between her and the President.
On January 7, Ms. Lewinsky signed the affidavit. On January 8,
she interviewed for a job in New York City. After the interview
went poorly, Mr. Jordan placed a phone call to the company's
chairman on her behalf, and Ms. Lewinsky was given a second
interview. The following week, after Ms. Lewinsky told
Ms. Currie that she would need a reference from the White House,
the President asked Chief of Staff Erskine Bowles to arrange one.
A. January 5: Francis Carter Meeting
At 3:00 p.m. on Monday, January 5, 1998, Ms. Lewinsky met
with Mr. Carter at his office for approximately one hour.(916)
Ms. Lewinsky testified that Mr. Carter described what a
deposition was like and "threw out a bunch of different
questions."(917) The questions that most concerned her related to
the circumstances of her departure from the White House.(918)
Mr. Carter told Ms. Lewinsky that he would draft an
affidavit for her to sign in hopes of averting her deposition.
They arranged for Ms. Lewinsky to pick up a draft of the
affidavit the next day.(919)
B. January 5: Call from the President
After her meeting with Mr. Carter, Ms. Lewinsky sent word
via Ms. Currie that she needed to speak to the President about an
important matter.(920) Specifically, Ms. Lewinsky told Ms. Currie
she was anxious about something she needed to sign.(921)
A few hours later, according to Ms. Lewinsky, the President
returned her call.(922) She mentioned an affidavit she would be
signing and asked if he wanted to see it. According to Ms.
Lewinsky, the President responded that he did not, as he had
already seen about fifteen others.(923) Ms. Lewinsky testified that
she told the President that she was troubled by potential
questions about her transfer from the White House to the
Pentagon. She was concerned that "people at the White House who
didn't like [her]" might contradict her and "get [her] in
trouble."(924) The President, according to Ms. Lewinsky, advised
her: "[Y]ou could always say that the people in Legislative
Affairs got it [the Pentagon job] for you or helped you get
it."(925)
The President acknowledged in the grand jury that he was
aware that Ms. Lewinsky had signed an affidavit in early January,
but had no specific recollection of a conversation with her in
that time period.(926) He testified that he did not recall telling
Ms. Lewinsky that she could say, if asked, that persons in the
Legislative Affairs Office of the White House had helped her
obtain the job at the Pentagon.(927)
According to Ms. Lewinsky, she and the President also
briefly discussed an antique book that she had dropped off with
Ms. Currie the day before. With the book, she enclosed a letter
telling the President that she wanted to have sexual intercourse
with him at least once.(928) In their phone conversation, Ms.
Lewinsky told the President, "I shouldn't have written some of
those things in the note."(929) She testified that the President
agreed.(930)
Although the President had testified in the Jones case that
any personal messages from Ms. Lewinsky to him had been
"unremarkable," he told the grand jury that he had received
"quite affectionate" messages from Ms. Lewinsky, even after their
intimate relationship ended.(931) The President testified that he
cautioned Ms. Lewinsky about such messages: "I remember telling
her she should be careful what she wrote, because a lot of it was
clearly inappropriate and would be embarrassing if somebody else
read it. I don't remember when I said that. I don't remember
whether it was in '96 or when it was."(932) The President did
remember the antique book Ms. Lewinsky had given him, but said he
did not recall a romantic note enclosed with it.(933)
C. January 6: The Draft Affidavit
According to Ms. Lewinsky, in the afternoon of January 6,
1998, she visited Mr. Carter's office and picked up a draft of
the affidavit.(934) Later that day, according to Ms. Lewinsky, she
and Mr. Jordan discussed the draft by telephone.(936) Ms. Lewinsky
testified that having Mr. Jordan review the affidavit was like
getting it "blessed" by the President.(937) Ms. Lewinsky testified
that she told Mr. Jordan that she was worried about a sentence
that implied that she had been alone with the President and thus
might incline Paula Jones's attorneys to question her.(938) She
eventually deleted it.(939)
In addition, Paragraph 8 of the draft affidavit provided in
part:
I have never had a sexual relationship with
the President. . . . The occasions that I
saw the President, with crowds of other
people, after I left my employment at the
White House in April, 1996 related to
official receptions, formal functions or
events related to the U.S. Department of
Defense, where I was working at the time.(941)
Deeming the reference to "crowds" "too far out of the realm of
possibility,"(942) Ms. Lewinsky deleted the underscored phrase and
wrote the following sentence at the end of this paragraph:
"There were other people present on all of these occasions."(943)
She discussed this proposed sentence, as well as her general
anxiety about Paragraph 8, with Mr. Jordan.(944)
When questioned in the grand jury, Mr. Jordan acknowledged
that Ms. Lewinsky called him with concerns about the affidavit,(945)
but maintained that he told her to speak with her attorney.(946)
Phone records for January 6 show that Mr. Jordan had a
number of contacts with Ms. Lewinsky, the President, and Mr.
Carter. Less than thirty minutes after Mr. Jordan spoke by phone
to Ms. Lewinsky, he talked with the President for thirteen
minutes. Immediately after this call, at 4:33 p.m., Mr. Jordan
called Mr. Carter. Less than an hour later, Mr. Jordan placed a
four-minute call to the main White House number. Over the course
of the day, Mr. Jordan called a White House number twice, Ms.
Lewinsky three times, and Mr. Carter four times.(947)
Mr. Carter testified that his phone conversations with Mr.
Jordan this day and the next "likely" related to Ms. Lewinsky and
his litigation strategy for her.(948) In fact, Mr. Carter billed
Ms. Lewinsky for time for "[t]elephone conference with Atty
Jordan."(949)
When questioned in the grand jury, Mr. Jordan testified that
he could not specifically remember the January 6 calls. He said
he "assumed" that he talked with Ms. Lewinsky about her job
search, and he believed that he called Mr. Carter to see "how he
was dealing with this highly emotional lady."(950) He said that he
might have talked with the President about Ms. Lewinsky, but he
maintained that "there [was] no connection" between his 13-minute
conversation with the President and the call he placed
immediately thereafter to Mr. Carter.(951)
D. January 7: Ms. Lewinsky Signs Affidavit
Ms. Lewinsky set an appointment with Mr. Carter to finalize
the affidavit for 10 a.m. on January 7, 1998.(952) She signed the
affidavit; however, she acknowledged in the grand jury that
statements in it were false.(953) Mr. Carter indicated to her that
he "intend[ed] to hold onto this until after I talk to
plaintiff's lawyers." He told her to "keep in touch," and said:
"Good luck on your job search."(956)
According to Mr. Jordan, Ms. Lewinsky came to his office on
January 7 and showed him the signed affidavit.(957) Over the course
of the day, Mr. Jordan placed three calls of significant duration
to the White House.(958) He testified: "I knew the President was
concerned about the affidavit and whether it was signed or
not."(959) When asked whether the President understood that the
affidavit denied a sexual relationship, Mr. Jordan testified: "I
think that's a reasonable assumption."(960) According to Mr.
Jordan, when he informed the President that Ms. Lewinsky had
signed the affidavit, the President said, "Fine, good."(961) Mr.
Jordan said he was continuing to work on her job, and the
President responded, "Good."(962)
Ten days after this conversation, in the Jones deposition,
President Clinton was asked whether he knew that Ms. Lewinsky had
met with Vernon Jordan and talked about the Jones case. He
answered:
I knew he met with her. I think Betty
suggested that he meet with her. Anyway, he
met with her. I, I thought that he talked to
her about something else. I didn't know that
-- I thought he had given her some advice
about her move to New York. Seems like
that's what Betty said.(963)
In his grand jury appearance, however, President Clinton
testified that Mr. Jordan informed "us" on January 7 that Ms.
Lewinsky had signed an affidavit to be used in connection with
the Jones case.(964) The President defended his deposition
testimony by stating:
[M]y impression was that, at the time, I was
focused on the meetings. I believe the
meetings he had were meetings about her
moving to New York and getting a job.
I knew at some point that she had told him
that she needed some help, because she had
gotten a subpoena. I'm not sure I know
whether she did that in a meeting or a phone
call. And I was not, I was not focused on
that. I know that, I know Vernon helped her
get a lawyer, Mr. Carter. And I, I believe
that he did it after she had called him, but
I'm not sure. But I knew that the main
source of their meetings was about her move
to New York and her getting a job.(965)
E. January 8: The Perelman Call
The day after she signed the affidavit, January 8, 1998, Ms.
Lewinsky interviewed in New York with Jaymie Durnan, Senior Vice
President and Special Assistant to the Chairman at MacAndrews &
Forbes Holdings, Inc. (MFH).(966) Mr. Durnan testified that,
although impressive, Ms. Lewinsky was not suited for any MFH
opening.(967) He told her that he would pass on her resume to
Revlon, an MFH company.(968) Ms. Lewinsky called Mr. Jordan and
reported that she felt that the interview had gone "very
poorly."(969) Mr. Jordan indicated in response that "he'd call the
chairman."(970)
At 4:54 p.m., Mr. Jordan called Ronald Perelman, chairman
and chief executive officer of MFH.(971) Mr. Jordan told the grand
jury with respect to Mr. Perelman, one "[c]an't get any higher --
or any richer."(972) Asked why he chose to call Mr. Perelman, Mr.
Jordan responded: "I have spent a good part of my life learning
institutions and people, and, in that process, I have learned how
to make things happen. And the call to Ronald Perelman was a
call to make things happen, if they could happen."(973)
According to Mr. Perelman, Mr. Jordan spoke of "this bright
young girl, who I think is terrific," and said that he wanted "to
make sure somebody takes a look at her."(977) Mr. Perelman
testified that, in the roughly twelve years that Mr. Jordan had
been on Revlon's Board of Directors, he did not recall Mr. Jordan
ever calling to recommend someone.(978)
After he spoke with Mr. Perelman, Mr. Jordan telephoned Ms.
Lewinsky and told her, "I'm doing the best I can to help you
out."(982) Ms. Lewinsky soon received a call from Revlon, inviting
her to another interview.(984)
Over the course of January 8, Mr. Jordan placed three calls
to the White House -- twice to a number at the White House
Counsel's Office, once to the main White House number.(985) As to
the Counsel's Office calls, Mr. Jordan speculated that he was
trying to reach Cheryl Mills, Deputy White House Counsel, to
express his "frustration" about Ms. Lewinsky.(986) According to Mr.
Jordan, Ms. Mills knew who Ms. Lewinsky was: "[T]hat was no
secret, I don't think, around the White House, that I was helping
Monica Lewinsky."(987)
F. January 9: "Mission Accomplished"
On the morning of Friday, January 9, 1998, Ms. Lewinsky
interviewed with Allyn Seidman, Senior Vice President of MFH, and
two individuals at Revlon.(988) Ms. Lewinsky testified that the
interviews went well and that Ms. Seidman called her back that
day and "informally offered [her] a position, and [she]
informally accepted."(989)
Ms. Lewinsky then called Mr. Jordan and relayed the good
news.(990) When shown records of a seven-minute call at 4:14 p.m.,
Mr. Jordan testified: "I have to assume that if she got the job
and we have a seven-minute conversation and the day before I had
talked to the chairman [Ronald Perelman], I have to assume the
Jordan magic worked."(991)
According to Mr. Jordan, he believed that he notified Ms.
Currie and the President as soon as he learned that Ms. Lewinsky
had obtained an offer: "I am certain that at some point in time
I told Betty Currie, 'Mission accomplished.'"(992) Mr. Jordan
testified that he also told the President directly that, "'Monica
Lewinsky's going to work for Revlon,' and his response was,
'Thank you very much.'"(993)
G. January 12: Pre-Trial Hearing in Jones Case
On January 12, 1998, Judge Wright held a hearing in the
Jones case to discuss pre-trial issues, including the President's
upcoming deposition.(994) At that hearing, Judge Wright required
Ms. Jones's counsel to list all the witnesses that they planned
to call at trial. Ms. Jones's witness list named many women,
among them Ms. Lewinsky, to support her theory that the President
had a pattern of rewarding women based on their willingness to
engage in sexual relations with him. At the hearing, Judge
Wright indicated that she would permit Ms. Jones to call as
witnesses some of the women she listed in support of her case.
H. January 13: References from the White House
On Tuesday, January 13, 1998, Jennifer Sheldon, Manager of
Corporate Staffing of Revlon, called Ms. Lewinsky and formally
extended her a position as a public relations administrator.
Asked whether this was a relatively quick hiring process, Ms.
Sheldon responded, "In totality of how long open positions
normally stay open, yes. This was pretty fast."(995) Ms. Sheldon
told Ms. Lewinsky that she needed to send her some references.(996)
According to Ms. Lewinsky, she then called Ms. Currie
because she was "concerned that if I put [Mr. Hilley] down as a
reference, he might not say flattering things about me."(997) At
11:11 a.m. on January 13, Ms. Currie paged Ms. Lewinsky and left
the following message: "Will know something this afternoon.
Kay."(998)
That day, January 13, the President talked with Chief of
Staff Erskine Bowles about a reference for Ms. Lewinsky.(999) The
President told Mr. Bowles that Ms. Lewinsky "had found a job in
the . . . private sector, and she had listed John Hilley as a
reference, and could we see if he could recommend her, if asked."
Mr. Bowles assured the President that Mr. Hilley would give Ms.
Lewinsky a recommendation commensurate with her job
performance.(1000)
Thereafter, Mr. Bowles took the President's request to Mr.
Podesta, the Deputy Chief of Staff, who in turn spoke with Mr.
Hilley.(1001) Mr. Hilley responded that, because he did not know Ms.
Lewinsky personally, he would have his office write a
recommendation.(1002) It would be a generic letter, simply
confirming the dates of employment, because of the less than
favorable circumstances surrounding Ms. Lewinsky's departure from
the White House.(1003)
Ms. Lewinsky testified that Ms. Currie called later that day
and told her that "Mr. Podesta took care of it and everything
would be fine with Mr. Hilley."(1004) At 11:17 a.m. the next day,
Wednesday, January 14, Ms. Lewinsky faxed her acceptance to
Revlon and listed John Hilley and her Defense Department
supervisor as references.(1006)
The President was asked in the grand jury whether he ever
spoke to Mr. Bowles about obtaining a reference from Mr. Hilley
for Ms. Lewinsky. He testified that he did, at Ms. Lewinsky's
request, although he thought he had done so earlier than January
13 or 14.(1007)
I. January 13: Final Jordan Meeting
According to Ms. Lewinsky, on Tuesday, January 13, she
stopped by Mr. Jordan's office to drop off some thank-you gifts
for helping her find a job. Ms. Lewinsky offered to show him a
copy of her signed affidavit in the Jones case, but he indicated
that he did not need to see it.(1008)
J. January 13-14: Lewinsky-Tripp Conversation and Talking Points
In a face-to-face conversation on January 13, Ms. Lewinsky
told Linda Tripp: "This is what my lawyer taught me. You really
don't -- you don't very often say 'no' unless you really need to.
The best is, 'Well, not that I recall, not that I really
remember. Might have, but I don't really remember.'"(1009) Ms.
Lewinsky said that, if asked in a deposition, "Were you ever
alone with the President?" she could say, "Um, it's possible I
may have taken a letter on the weekend, but, you know -- I might
have, but I don't really. . . ."(1010)
Ms. Lewinsky and Ms. Tripp then discussed the situation:
Ms. Lewinsky: I don't think the way that man thinks, I
don't think he thinks of lying under oath. . . .
Ms. Tripp: Yes, he is because he's the one who said,
"Deny, deny, deny." Of course he knows.
Ms. Lewinsky: Right. But it's -- hard to explain
this. It's like -- (sigh)
Ms. Tripp: You know what I mean. I mean, I don't know
-- do I think he is consciously --
Ms. Lewinsky: If-- if -- if I said, if somebody said
to him, "Is Monica lying under oath," he would say yes. But
when he on his own thinks about it, he doesn't think about
it in those terms. Okay?
Ms. Tripp: Probably.
Ms. Lewinsky: Okay? He thinks of it as, "We're safe.
We're being smart." Okay? "We're being smart, we're being
safe, it's good for everybody."(1011)
On January 14, Ms. Lewinsky gave Ms. Tripp a three-page
document regarding "points to make in [Ms. Tripp's] affidavit."(1012)
Ms. Lewinsky testified that she wrote the document herself,
although some of the ideas may have been inspired by
conversations with Ms. Tripp.(1013)
K. January 15: The Isikoff Call
In the grand jury, Betty Currie testified that on Thursday,
January 15, 1998, she received a telephone call from Michael
Isikoff of Newsweek, who inquired about courier receipts
reflecting items sent by Ms. Lewinsky to the White House.(1014)
Ms. Currie called Mr. Jordan and asked for guidance in
responding to Mr. Isikoff's inquiry because, in her words, she
had a "comfort level with Vernon."(1015) After Ms. Currie arranged
to meet with Mr. Jordan at his office,(1016) Ms. Lewinsky drove her
there.(1017)
Mr. Jordan confirmed in the grand jury that Ms. Currie
expressed concern about a call from Mr. Isikoff.(1018) He invited
her to his office but advised her to "talk to Mike McCurry and
Bruce Lindsey . . . because I cannot give you that advice."(1019)
In a recorded conversation that day, January 15, Ms.
Lewinsky encouraged Ms. Tripp not to disclose her (Lewinsky's)
relationship with the President. Ms. Lewinsky tried to persuade
Ms. Tripp to lie by telling her that others planned to lie: "I'm
not concerned all that much anymore because I'm not going to get
in trouble because you know what? The story I've signed . . .
under oath is what someone else is saying under oath." When Ms.
Tripp asked, "Who?" Ms. Lewinsky responded: "He will," referring
to the President.(1020) Ms. Lewinsky stated that she did not think
the President would "slip up" at his deposition because she was
not a "big issue" like Gennifer Flowers and Paula Jones. In
contrast, she regarded herself as nothing more than "rumor and
innuendo."(1021)
One of Ms. Lewinsky's friends, Natalie Ungvari, testified
that, when Ms. Lewinsky was implicated in the Jones case, "it
seemed to me that Monica was just confident everybody would say
the right thing, that everything would be orchestrated to come
out a secret."(1022)
L. January 15-16: Developments in the Jones Law Suit
On January 15, 1998, President Clinton's counsel served Ms.
Jones's attorneys with the President's responses to Ms. Jones's
document requests.(1023) One of the requests specifically sought all
documents reflecting communications between the President and
Monica Lewinsky.(1024) President Clinton objected to the scope of
this request, but, notwithstanding his objection, he stated that
he did not have any responsive documents.
Also on January 15, Mr. Carter drafted a motion to quash the
subpoena issued by Paula Jones's attorneys to Ms. Lewinsky.
Attached to the motion was Ms. Lewinsky's signed affidavit.(1025) At
the request of Katherine Sexton, one of the President's personal
attorneys, Mr. Carter faxed a copy of the affidavit to her law
offices. Mr. Carter testified that he asked Ms. Sexton why she
needed the affidavit that day:
I said, "Well, Katie, you're going to get it
tomorrow because I'm filing it, and it's
going to be attached as an exhibit to the
motion." She said, "Well, but you've already
provided it to the other side, so can I get a
copy" -- words to that effect. I said, "I
have no problem." And so I faxed it to
her.(1026)
On January 16, 1998, Mr. Carter arranged for the overnight
delivery of the motion to quash and the accompanying affidavit to
Judge Susan Webber Wright's law clerk and Paula Jones's
attorneys.(1027)
XIV. January 17, 1998-Present:
The Deposition and Afterward
The President was asked a number of questions about Ms.
Lewinsky during his January 17, 1998, deposition in the Jones
case. In sworn testimony, the President denied having a sexual
affair or sexual relations with her. That evening, the President
called Ms. Currie and asked her to meet him the following day to
discuss Ms. Lewinsky. After allegations that the President had
an affair with a White House intern became public, the President
emphatically denied the reports to aides and to the American
public.
A. January 17: The Deposition
On Saturday, January 17, 1998, the President testified under
oath at a deposition in the Jones case.(1028) Judge Susan Webber
Wright traveled from Little Rock, Arkansas, to preside at the
deposition in Washington, D.C.(1029)
Prior to any questions, Judge Wright reminded the parties
about her standing Protective Order. She specifically stated:
"[I]f anyone reveals anything whatsoever about this deposition,
. . . it will be in violation of the Protective Order. This
includes the questions that were asked, . . . You may
acknowledge that [the deposition] took place, but that is it."(1030)
Judge Wright accepted the following definition of the term
"sexual relations:"
For the purposes of this deposition, a person
engages in "sexual relations" when the person
knowingly engages in or causes . . . contact
with the genitalia, anus, groin, breast,
inner thigh, or buttocks of any person with
an intent to arouse or gratify the sexual
desire of any person . . . . "Contact" means
intentional touching, either directly or
through clothing.(1031)
After the President had answered a few questions about Ms.
Lewinsky, his attorney, Robert Bennett, urged Judge Wright to
limit further inquiries. Mr. Bennett stated that Ms. Lewinsky
had executed an affidavit "saying that there is absolutely no sex
of any kind of any manner, shape or form, with President
Clinton."(1032) When Judge Wright cautioned Mr. Bennett not to make
remarks that "could be arguably coaching the witness," Mr.
Bennett represented to Judge Wright: "In preparation of the
witness for this deposition, the witness is fully aware of Ms.
Lewinsky's affidavit, so I have not told him a single thing he
doesn't know . . . ."(1033) President Clinton, who was present when
Mr. Bennett made his objection, did not contradict his attorney's
comment. Rejecting Mr. Bennett's argument, Judge Wright
permitted the questioning about Ms. Lewinsky to continue.(1034)
Over the course of extensive questioning, the President
testified that he had seen Ms. Lewinsky "on two or three
occasions" during the government shutdown in the fall of 1995,
including one occasion when she brought pizza to him, and one or
two other occasions when she delivered documents to him.(1035) He
could not recall whether he had been alone with Ms. Lewinsky on
such occasions, although he acknowledged that it was possible.(1036)
The President further testified that he could not remember the
subject of any conversations with Ms. Lewinsky.(1037)
President Clinton recalled that he received only a couple of
unremarkable personal messages from Ms. Lewinsky, and he could
not recall ever having received a cassette tape from her.(1038) He
received presents from her "[o]nce or twice" -- a book or two and
a tie.(1039) The President originally testified that he could not
recall any gifts he might have given her; later in the
deposition, however, he remembered that some merchandise he had
purchased from a Martha's Vineyard restaurant might have reached
her through Ms. Currie.(1040) The President stated that he might
have given Ms. Lewinsky a hat pin, though he could not recall for
certain.(1041)
The President testified that his last conversation with
Ms. Lewinsky had been before Christmas, when she had visited the
White House to see Ms. Currie. The President stated: "I stuck
my head out, said hello to her."(1042) He said it was also possible
that, during that encounter, he had joked with Ms. Lewinsky that
the plaintiff's attorneys were going to subpoena "every woman I
ever talked to" and Ms. Lewinsky "would qualify."(1043)
The President testified that he was unaware that Mr. Jordan
had talked with Ms. Lewinsky about the Jones case, in which she
had also been subpoenaed to testify at a deposition.(1044)
The President emphatically denied having had sexual
relations with Ms. Lewinsky.(1045)
At the conclusion of the deposition, Judge Wright said:
"Before [the President] leaves, I want to remind him, as the
witness in this matter, and everyone else in the room, that this
case is subject to a Protective Order regarding all discovery, .
. . and . . . all parties present, including . . . the witness
are not to say anything whatsoever about the questions they were
asked, the substance of the deposition, . . . any details, . . .
and this is extremely important to this Court."(1046)
Sometime after the President's deposition, Mr. Podesta saw
Bruce Lindsey, Deputy White House Counsel, at the White House and
inquired how the deposition went. According to Mr. Podesta, Mr.
Lindsey said that the President had been asked about Monica
Lewinsky.(1047) Mr. Lindsey testified that, during a break in the
President's deposition, the President had told him that
Ms. Lewinsky's name had come up.(1048)
That same evening, Mr. Lindsey met with the President in the
Oval Office, where they discussed the deposition.(1049) Mr. Lindsey,
relying on the attorney-client, presidential communication,
deliberative process, and work-product privileges, declined to
say what specifically was discussed at this meeting.
B. The President Meets with Ms. Currie
Soon after the deposition, the President called Ms. Currie
and asked her to come to the White House the next day.(1050) Ms.
Currie acknowledged that, "It's rare for [the President] to ask
me to come in on Sunday."(1051) The President wanted to discuss Ms.
Lewinsky's White House visits.(1052)
At approximately 5:00 p.m. on Sunday, January 18, 1998, Ms.
Currie met with the President.(1053) The meeting took place at her
desk outside the Oval Office. According to Ms. Currie, the
President appeared "concerned."(1054) He told Ms. Currie that,
during his deposition the previous day, he had been asked
questions about Monica Lewinsky.(1055) Ms. Currie testified: "I
think he said, 'There are several things you may want to
know.'"(1056) He proceeded to make a series of statements,(1057) one
right after the other:(1058)
Ms. Currie testified that, based on his demeanor and the way he
made the statements, the President wanted her to agree with
them.(1060)
Ms. Currie testified that she did, in fact, agree with the
President when he said, "You were always there when she was
there, right?"(1063) Before the grand jury, however, Ms. Currie
acknowledged the possibility that Ms. Lewinsky could have visited
the President when she was not at the White House.(1064)
With respect to whether the President was "never really
alone" with Ms. Lewinsky, Ms. Currie testified that there were
several occasions when the President and Ms. Lewinsky were either
in the Oval Office or in the study without anyone else present.(1065)
Ms. Currie explained that she did not consider the President and
Ms. Lewinsky to be "alone" on such occasions because she was at
her desk outside the Oval Office; accordingly, they were all
together in the same "general area."(1066) Ms. Currie testified that
"the President, for all intents and purposes, is never alone.
There's always somebody around him."(1067)
As to whether Ms. Lewinsky "came on" to him, Ms. Currie
testified that she "would have no reason to know" whether Ms.
Lewinsky ever "came on" to the President because Ms. Currie was
not present all the time.(1068) Finally, as to whether she "could
see and hear everything," Ms. Currie testified that she should
not have agreed with the President.(1069) She testified that when
the President and Ms. Lewinsky were alone together in the study,
while Ms. Currie was at her desk, she could "hear nothing."(1070)
The President also made the following statement during their
January 18, 1998 meeting, according to Ms. Currie: "[Monica
Lewinsky] wanted to have sex with me, but I told her I couldn't
do that."(1071)
When the President was questioned about this meeting with
Ms. Currie in the grand jury, he testified that he recalled the
conversation, but he denied that he was "trying to get Betty
Currie to say something that was untruthful."(1072) Rather, the
President testified that he asked a "series of questions" in an
effort to quickly "refresh [his] memory."(1073) The President
explained: "I wanted to establish . . . that Betty was there at
all other times in the complex, and I wanted to know what Betty's
memory was about what she heard, what she could hear . . . .
[a]nd I was trying to figure [it] out . . . in a hurry because I
knew something was up."(1074)
In his grand jury testimony, the President acknowledged
that, "in fairness," Ms. Currie "may have felt some ambivalence
about how to react" to his statements.(1075) The President
maintained that he was trying to establish that Ms. Currie was
"always there," and could see and hear everything.(1076) At the same
time, he acknowledged that he had always tried to prevent Ms.
Currie from learning about his relationship with Ms. Lewinsky.(1077)
"[I] did what people do when they do the wrong thing. I tried to
do it where nobody else was looking at it."(1078)
The President was also asked about his statement that Ms.
Currie was always in the Oval Office when Ms. Lewinsky visited.
He explained that he may have intended the term "Oval Office" to
include the entire Oval Office complex.(1079) The President further
explained, "I was talking about 1997. I was never, ever trying
to get Betty Currie to claim that on the occasions when Monica
Lewinsky was there when she wasn't anywhere around, that she
was."(1080) When asked whether he restricted his remarks to the year
1997, the President responded, "Well, I don't recall whether I
did or not, but . . . I assumed [Ms. Currie] knew what I was
talking about."(1081)
When questioned about his statement to Ms. Currie, "you
could see and hear everything," the President responded:
My memory of that was that, that she had the
ability to hear what was going on if she came
in the Oval Office from her office. And a
lot of times, you know, when I was in the
Oval Office, she just had the door open to
her office. Then there was -- the door was
never completely closed to the hall. So, I
think there was -- I'm not entirely sure what
I meant by that, but I could have meant that
she generally would be able to hear
conversations, even if she couldn't see them.
And I think that's what I meant.(1082)
Finally, when asked about his statement to Ms. Currie that
"Monica came on to me and I never touched her," the President
refused to answer.(1083)
C. January 18-19: Attempts to Reach Ms. Lewinsky
In the wake of her Sunday afternoon session, Ms. Currie
paged Ms. Lewinsky four times.(1084) She testified that the
President "may have asked me to call [Ms. Lewinsky] to see what
she knew or where she was or what was happening."(1085) Later that
evening, at 11:02 p.m., the President called Ms. Currie to ask
whether she had spoken to Ms. Lewinsky.(1086)
Over a two-hour span the next morning, Monday, January 19,
1998, Ms. Currie made eight unsuccessful attempts to contact Ms.
Lewinsky, by either pager or telephone.(1087) After speaking with
the President to let him know that she was unable to reach Ms.
Lewinsky, Ms. Currie again paged her.(1091) The purpose of these
calls, according to Ms. Currie, was to tell Ms. Lewinsky that her
name had been mentioned in the President's deposition.(1092)
Mr. Jordan also tried unsuccessfully to reach Ms. Lewinsky
that morning.(1094) That afternoon, Mr. Jordan met with the
President in the Oval Office.(1095) Later, Ms. Lewinsky's attorney,
Frank Carter, called Mr. Jordan and told him that Ms. Lewinsky
had obtained new counsel, William Ginsburg and Nathaniel
Speights.(1096) Mr. Jordan passed this information on to the
President that evening in a seven-minute phone conversation.(1097)
D. January 20-22: Lewinsky Story Breaks
After the publication of an article alleging a sexual
relationship with Ms. Lewinsky, President Clinton conferred with
his attorneys and issued a number of denials to his aides and to
the American public.
1. "Clinton Accused"
On Wednesday, January 21, 1998, the Washington Post
published a story entitled "Clinton Accused of Urging Aide to
Lie; Starr Probes Whether President Told Woman to Deny Alleged
Affair to Jones's Lawyers."(1098) The White House learned the
essentials of the Post story on the night of January 20, 1998.(1099)
President Clinton placed a number of phone calls that night
and the following morning.(1100) From 12:08 a.m. to 12:39 a.m., he
spoke with his personal attorney, Robert Bennett. Mr. Bennett
would be quoted in the Post article as saying, "The President
adamantly denies he ever had a relationship with Ms. Lewinsky and
she has confirmed the truth of that."(1101) He added: "This story
seems ridiculous and I frankly smell a rat."(1102)
Immediately after his call to Mr. Bennett, President Clinton
called Deputy White House Counsel Bruce Lindsey; they spoke for
about half an hour, until 1:10 a.m.(1103)
At 1:16 a.m., the President called Ms. Currie at home and
spoke to her for 20 minutes. Ms. Currie testified that the
President was concerned that her name was mentioned in the Post
article.(1104) Soon after this call, the President called Mr.
Lindsey.(1105)
A few hours later, at approximately 6:30 a.m., the President
called Mr. Jordan in New York City to tell him, according to Mr.
Jordan, that the Post story was untrue.(1106) From 7:14 a.m. to
7:22 a.m., the President spoke again with Mr. Lindsey.(1107)
Responding to the Post story that day, the White House
issued a statement, personally approved by the President,
declaring that he was "outraged by these allegations" and that
"he has never had an improper relationship with this woman."
White House spokesperson Mike McCurry said that the statement
"was prepared by the Counsel's office, and I reviewed it with the
President to make sure that it reflected what he wanted me to say
. . . He looked at it, and he said fine. . . . It was prepared
in consultation between the lawyers and the President. The
Counsel's Office gave it to me. I wanted to, of course, verify
that that's exactly what the President wanted me to say."(1108)
2. Denials to Aides
According to Mr. Lindsey, the remainder of the morning was
spent in a series of meetings about the Lewinsky matter,
including preparing the President for anticipated Lewinsky-related questions in three previously scheduled media
interviews.(1109) At these meetings, President Clinton denied the
allegations to several of his top aides.
The President met with Chief of Staff Erskine Bowles, along
with his two deputies, John Podesta and Sylvia Matthews.
According to Mr. Bowles, the President told them, "I want you to
know I did not have sexual relationships with this woman, Monica
Lewinsky. I did not ask anybody to lie. And when the facts come
out, you'll understand."(1110) The President made a similar denial
that morning to Harold Ickes, his former Deputy Chief of Staff.(1111)
The President also discussed the matter with Ms. Currie for
a second time.(1112) According to Ms. Currie, the President called
her into the Oval Office and gave a "sort of a recapitulation of
what we had talked about on Sunday -- you know, 'I was never
alone with her' -- that sort of thing."(1113) The President spoke
with the same tone and demeanor that he used during his previous
session with her.(1114) Ms. Currie testified that the President may
have mentioned that she might be asked about Ms. Lewinsky.(1115)
Later that day, the President summoned Sidney Blumenthal to
the Oval Office. They spoke for about 30 minutes.(1116) The
President said to Mr. Blumenthal, "I haven't done anything
wrong."(1117) Mr. Blumenthal testified that the President told him,
"Monica Lewinsky came on to me and made a sexual demand on me."
The President said that he "rebuffed her."(1119) The President also
told Mr. Blumenthal that Ms. Lewinsky had "threatened him. She
said that she would tell people they'd had an affair, that she
was known as the stalker among her peers, and that she hated it
and if she had an affair or said she had an affair then she
wouldn't be the stalker any more."(1120) Mr. Blumenthal then asked
the President whether he and Ms. Lewinsky were alone when she
threatened him. The President responded, "Well, I was within
eyesight or earshot of someone."(1121)
According to Mr. Blumenthal, the President complained: "I
feel like a character in a novel. I feel like somebody who is
surrounded by an oppressive force that is creating a lie about me
and I can't get the truth out. I feel like the character in the
novel Darkness at Noon."(1122)
Soon thereafter, in the course of a meeting about the
progress of the President's State of the Union address, the
President made a second denial of the allegations to Mr.
Podesta.(1123) Mr. Podesta testified:
[H]e said to me that he had never had sex
with her, and that -- and that he never asked
-- you know, he repeated the denial, but he
was extremely explicit in saying he never had
sex with her . . . . Well, I think he said -- he said that -- there was some spate of,
you know, what sex acts were counted, and he
said that he had never had sex with her in
any way whatsoever -- that they had not had
oral sex.(1124)
The President was asked during his grand jury appearance
whether he recalled denying a sexual relationship with Ms.
Lewinsky to his senior aides and advisors, including Mr. Bowles,
Mr. Podesta, Mr. Blumenthal, Mr. Ickes, and Mr. Jordan.(1126) The
President did not recall specific details but did remember the
following:
I met with certain people, and [to] a few of
them I said I didn't have sex with Monica
Lewinsky, or I didn't have an affair with her
or something like that. I had a very careful
thing I said, and I tried not to say anything
else . . . . I remember that I issued a
number of denials to people that I thought
needed to hear them, but I tried to be
careful and to be accurate.
And I believe, sir, that -- you'll have to ask
them what they thought. But I was using those
terms in the normal way people use them.(1127)
The President testified that he had said "things that were
true about this relationship. That I used -- in the language I
used, I said, there's nothing going on between us. That was
true.(1128) I said I did not have sex with her as I defined it.
That was true."(1129) The President qualified this answer, however:
"I said things that were true. They may have been misleading,
and if they were I have to take responsibility for it, and I'm
sorry."(1130)
3. Initial Denials to the American Public
On the afternoon of January 21, the President made his first
of a series of previously scheduled media appearances. In an
interview on National Public Radio's "All Things Considered," the
following colloquy took place:
Q: Mr. President, . . . . [m]any Americans woke up to the
news today that the Whitewater independent counsel is
investigating an allegation that you . . . encouraged a
young woman to lie to lawyers in the Paula Jones civil
suit. Is there any truth to that allegation?
WJC: No, sir, there's not. It's just not true.
Q: Is there any truth to the allegation of an affair
between you and the young woman?
WJC: No. That's not true either. . . . The charges are not
true. And I haven't asked anybody to lie.(1131)
That evening, the President appeared on the PBS program "The
News Hour with Jim Lehrer." He was asked again whether the
allegation of an affair with a White House intern was true. The
President replied, "That is not true. That is not true. I did
not ask anyone to tell anything other than the truth. There is
no improper relationship. And I intend to cooperate with this
inquiry. But that is not true." When asked to define what he
meant by the term "improper relationship," the President
answered, "Well, I think you know what it means. It means that
there is not a sexual relationship, an improper sexual
relationship, or any other kind of improper relationship."(1132)
The following morning, on January 22, 1998, the President
again denied he had done anything improper. Speaking at a
televised White House photo opportunity with Palestinian
Authority Chairman Yasser Arafat, the President stated: "[T]he
allegations are false, and I would never ask anybody to do
anything other than tell the truth. That is false."(1133)
The President also gave an interview to Roll Call that day.
He stated: "[T]he relationship was not improper, and I think
that's important enough to say. . . . But let me answer -- it is
not an improper relationship and I know what the word means. . .
. The relationship was not sexual. And I know what you mean,
and the answer is no."(1134)
At each of these interviews, the President pledged he would
cooperate fully with the investigation. On NPR, the President
stated: "I have told people that I would cooperate in the
investigation, and I expect to cooperate with it. I don't know
any more about it, really, than you do. But I will cooperate. .
. . I'm doing my best to cooperate with the investigation."(1135)
To Mr. Lehrer, he said: "[W]e are doing the best to cooperate
here, but we don't know much yet. . . . I think it's important
that we cooperate, I will cooperate, but I want to focus on the
work at hand."(1136)
In his photo opportunity with Mr. Arafat, the President
stated:
[T]he American people have a right to get
answers. We are working very hard to comply,
get all the requests for information up here.
And we will give you as many answers as we
can, as soon as we can, at the appropriate
time, consistent with our obligation to also
cooperate with the investigations. And
that's not a dodge; that's really what I've -- I've talked with our people. I want to do
that. I'd like for you to have more rather
than less, sooner rather than later. So we
will work through it as quickly as we can and
get all those questions out there to you."(1137)
Finally, in his Roll Call interview, the President vowed:
"I'm going to cooperate with this investigation. . . . And I'll
cooperate."(1138)
4. "We Just Have To Win"
Amidst the flurry of press activity on January 21, 1998, the
President's former political consultant, Dick Morris, read the
Post story and called the President.(1139) According to Mr. Morris,
he told the President, "You poor son of a bitch. I've just read
what's going on."(1140) The President responded, Mr. Morris
recalled, "Oh, God. This is just awful. . . . I didn't do what
they said I did, but I did do something. I mean, with this girl,
I didn't do what they said, but I did . . . do something(1141). . . .
And I may have done enough so that I don't know if I can prove my
innocence. . . . There may be gifts. I gave her gifts, . . . .
[a]nd there may be messages on her phone answering machine."(1142)
Mr. Morris assured the President, "[t]here's a great
capacity for forgiveness in this country and you should consider
tapping into it."(1143) The President said, "But what about the
legal thing? You know, the legal thing? You know, Starr and
perjury and all. . . . You know, ever since the election, I've
tried to shut myself down. I've tried to shut my body down,
sexually, I mean. . . . But sometimes I slipped up and with this
girl I just slipped up."(1144)
Mr. Morris suggested that he take a poll on the voters'
willingness to forgive confessed adultery. The President
agreed.(1145)
Mr. Morris telephoned the President later that evening with
the poll results, which showed that the voters were "willing to
forgive [the President] for adultery, but not for perjury or
obstruction of justice[.]"(1146) When Mr. Morris explained that the
poll results suggested that the President should not go public
with a confession or explanation, he replied, "Well, we just have
to win, then."(1147)
The President had a follow-up conversation with Mr. Morris
during the evening of January 22, 1998, when Mr. Morris was
considering holding a press conference to "blast Monica Lewinsky
'out of the water.'"(1148) The President told Mr. Morris to "be
careful". According to Mr. Morris, the President warned him not
to "be too hard on [Ms. Lewinsky] because there's some slight
chance that she may not be cooperating with Starr and we don't
want to alienate her by anything we're going to put out."(1149)
Meanwhile, in California, the President's good friend and
Hollywood producer, Harry Thomason, had seen the President's
interview with Jim Lehrer on televison.(1150) Mr. Thomason, who had
occasionally advised the President on matters relating to the
media, traveled to Washington, D.C., and met with him the next
day.(1151) Mr. Thomason told the President that "the press seemed to
be saying that [the President's comments were] weak" and that he,
Mr. Thomason, "thought his response wasn't as strong as it could
have been."(1152) Mr. Thomason recommended that the President
"should explain it so there's no doubt in anybody's mind that
nothing happened."(1153) The President agreed: "You know, you're
right. I should be more forceful than that."(1154)
In the ensuing days, the President, through his Cabinet,
issued a number of firm denials. On January 23, 1998, the
President started a Cabinet meeting by saying the allegations
were untrue.(1155) Afterward, several Cabinet members appeared
outside the White House. Madeline Albright, Secretary of State,
said: "I believe that the allegations are completely untrue."
The others agreed. "I'll second that, definitely," Commerce
Secretary William Daley said. Secretary of Education Richard
Riley and Secretary of Health and Human Services Donna Shalala
concurred.(1156)
The next day, Ann Lewis, White House Communications
Director, publicly announced that "those of us who have wanted to
go out and speak on behalf of the president" had been given the
green light by the President's legal team.(1157) She reported that
the President answered the allegations "directly" by denying any
improper relationship. She believed that, in issuing his public
denials, the President was not "splitting hairs, defining what is
a sexual relationship, talking about 'is' rather than was.(1158) You
know, I always thought, perhaps I was naive, since I've come to
Washington, when you said a sexual relationship, everybody knew
what that meant." Ms. Lewis expressly said that the term
includes "oral sex."(1159)
* * *
On Monday, January 26, 1998, in remarks in the Roosevelt
Room in the White House, President Clinton gave his last public
statement for several months on the Lewinsky matter. At an event
promoting after-school health care, the President denied the
allegations in the strongest terms: "I want to say one thing to
the American people. I want you to listen to me. I'm going to
say this again: I did not have sexual relations with that woman,
Miss Lewinsky. I never told anybody to lie, not a single time.
Never. These allegations are false."(1160)
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