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770. Lindsey 3/12/98 GJ at 65.
771. 964-DC-00000862 (Presidential mail notes).
772. Lindsey 3/12/98 GJ at 63-64. Mr. Lindsey refused to
answer questions about his December 6 meeting with the President,
claiming attorney-client privilege and Executive (presidential
communications) Privilege.(773)
773. Lindsey 3/12/98 GJ at 66. The U.S. District Court for
the District of Columbia Circuit rejected Mr. Lindsey's claim of
privilege, In re Grand Jury Proceedings, 5 F. Supp.2d 21 (D.D.C.
1998), and the Court of Appeals denied Mr. Lindsey's appeal, In
re Lindsey, __ F.3d __, 1998 WL 418780 (D.C. Cir. 1998). A
petition for Supreme Court review is currently pending.
__ U.S.L.W. __ (U.S. Aug. 21, 1998) (No. 98-316).
774. WAVES records reflect that Mr. Jordan entered the White
House at 5:21 p.m. on Sunday, December 7. 1178-DC-00000026.
775. Jordan 5/5/98 GJ at 83. He later testified that the
conversation was "[a]bsolutely not" about Ms. Lewinsky. Jordan
5/5/98 GJ at 116.
776. V004-DC-00000171 (Akin, Gump visitor records) (recording
visit of "Malensky"). Ms. Lewinsky recalled arranging the
meeting on December 8 or 9. Lewinsky 8/1/98 Int. at 3. See also
833-DC-00017886 (reflecting Ms. Lewinsky's call to Mr. Jordan on
December 8).
On December 8, Ms. Lewinsky sent Mr. Jordan a hat, a box of
chocolates, and a note gently reminding him of his promise to
help her find a job. Lewinsky 7/31/98 Int. at 15. She also sent
the President a note and some peach candies. Lewinsky 8/1/98
Int. at 2; Lewinsky 8/1/98 Int. at 2; 837-DC-00000017; 837-DC-00000020 (courier receipts).
777. Jordan 3/3/98 GJ at 41-42.
778. V004-DC-00000148 (Akin, Gump phone records). See also
Jordan 3/3/98 GJ at 54, 62-63, 70.
Mr. Halperin testified that Mr. Jordan had told him that
Ms. Lewinsky "was a bright young woman who was energetic and
enthusiastic and . . . encouraged me to meet with her." Halperin
4/23/98 GJ at 13. Similarly, Ms. Fairbairn stated that Mr.
Jordan had told her that he "would like to send [her] a resume of
a talented young lady and see if she matches up with any company
openings." Fairbairn 1/29/98 Int. at 1. Mr. Georgescu, however,
stated that Mr. Jordan "did not engage in a 'sales pitch' about
[Ms.] Lewinsky." Georgescu 3/25/98 Int. at 2.
779. Lewinsky 8/6/98 GJ at 121. Ms. Lewinsky left the
meeting with Mr. Jordan on December 8 with the impression that
Mr. Jordan was going to get her a job. Lewinsky 8/1/98 Int. at
4.
780. Lewinsky 8/6/98 GJ at 119.
781. Lewinsky 8/6/98 GJ at 120.
782. Lewinsky 8/6/98 GJ at 120.
783. Lewinsky 8/6/98 GJ at 120. In her handwritten proffer,
Ms. Lewinsky gave a very similar account of her second meeting
with Mr. Jordan: "Ms. L. met again with Mr. Jordan in the
beginning of December '97, at which time he provided Ms. L. with
a list of three people to contact and suggested language to use
in her letters to them. At some point, Mr. Jordan remarked
something about Ms. L. being a friend of the Pres. of the United
States. Ms. L. responded that she never really saw him as "the
President"; she spoke to him like a normal man and even got angry
with him like a normal man. Mr. Jordan asked what Ms. L. got
angry about. Ms. L. replied that the Pres. doesn't see or call
her enough. Mr. Jordan said Ms. L. should take her frustrations
out on him -- not the President.(784)
784. Lewinsky Proffer at 3-4.
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785. Lewinsky 8/6/98 GJ at 120.
786. Jordan 3/3/98 GJ at 154.
787. Jordan 3/3/98 GJ at 64-65.
788. Jordan 3/3/98 GJ at 65.
789. Jordan 3/3/98 GJ at 65.
790. 1414-DC-00001534 - 46 (Plaintiff's Second Request for
Production of Documents and Things).
791. Lewinsky 8/6/98 GJ at 121-26.
792. Lewinsky 8/6/98 GJ at 126. Ms. Lewinsky testified that
the call came as a surprise because Mrs. Clinton was in town.
Id. at 122. See also 968-DC-00003479 (Mrs. Clinton's schedule
reflects that she was in Washington, D.C. on December 17).
793. Lewinsky 8/6/98 GJ at 122-23.
794. Lewinsky 8/6/98 GJ at 123.
795. Lewinsky 2/1/98 Statement at 4.
796. Lewinsky 8/6/98 GJ at 123.
797. Lewinsky 2/1/98 Statement at 4.
798. Lewinsky 8/6/98 GJ at 123-24. Ms. Lewinsky testified
that, "on [s]everal occasions," they had resolved to use this
cover story to conceal their relationship. Id.
799. Lewinsky 8/6/98 GJ at 232.
800. Lewinsky 8/6/98 GJ at 126.
801. Lewinsky 8/6/98 GJ at 126.
802. Clinton 8/17/98 GJ at 116.
803. Clinton 8/17/98 GJ at 119. The President himself gave
this explanation of Ms. Lewinsky's visits to the Oval Office at
his Jones deposition. Clinton 1/17/98 Depo. at 50-51.
804. Clinton 8/17/98 GJ at 119-20.
805. Clinton 8/17/98 GJ at 119-20.
806. Clinton 8/17/98 GJ at 120.
807. Halperin 1/26/98 Int. at 2.
808. Berk 3/31/98 Int. at 1-2. In her proffer, Ms. Lewinsky
stated that, during the week following her December 11 meeting
with Mr. Jordan, she "had two interviews in NY in response to her
letters." Lewinsky 2/1/98 Statement at 4.
809. Schick 1/29/98 Int. at 2.
810. Lewinsky 8/6/98 GJ at 128; Harte 4/17/98 Int. at 1.
811. 902-DC-000000135 - 138 (Lewinsky subpoena).
812. 902-DC-000000137.
813. Lewinsky 8/6/98 GJ at 128-29; Lewinsky 7/27/98 Int. at
6; 8/1/98 Int. at 6-7. In the late-night December 17 call, the
President told Ms. Lewinsky that, if she were subpoenaed, she
should call Ms. Currie. Ms. Lewinsky did not do so on December
19 because Ms. Currie's brother had recently died and Ms.
Lewinsky did not want to bother her. Lewinsky 8/6/98 GJ at 126.
814. Jordan 3/3/98 GJ at 92-93. Mr. Jordan said that he did
not contemplate representing Ms. Lewinsky himself because "I
represent companies. I don't represent individuals." Jordan
3/3/98 GJ at 101.
815. V004-DC-00000172 (Akin, Gump visitor logs).
816. V004-DC-00000151 (Akin, Gump telephone records,
indicating the call ended at 5:05 p.m.); 1178-DC-00000014
(Presidential call logs, reflecting the call ended at 5:08 p.m.).
Presidential call logs are recorded by hand, and thus are likely
to be less accurate. The President may have been returning a
call that Mr. Jordan had placed at 3:51 p.m.
817. Lewinsky 8/6/98 GJ at 131; V004-DC-00000151 (Akin, Gump
telephone records). Mr. Jordan asked whether he could bring a
potential client to Mr. Carter's office on Monday morning.(818)
818. Jordan 5/5/98 GJ at 154-55. See also Carter 6/18/98 GJ
at 10. Although Mr. Jordan was adamant that Ms. Lewinsky was not
in his office when he spoke with the President, he was uncertain
whether Ms. Lewinsky was in the office when the 5:06 p.m. call
was placed to Mr. Carter. Jordan 5/5/98 GJ at 154.
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819. Lewinsky 8/6/98 GJ at 131.
820. Jordan 5/5/98 GJ at 140, 152-53.
821. Jordan 5/5/98 GJ at 145.
822. Jordan 5/5/98 GJ at 145.
823. Jordan 5/5/98 GJ at 147.
824. Jordan 5/5/98 GJ at 147.
825. Jordan 3/3/98 GJ at 102.
826. Jordan 3/3/98 GJ at 103.
827. Lewinsky 8/6/98 GJ at 131-32.
828. Lewinsky 8/6/98 GJ at 132.
829. Lewinsky 8/6/98 GJ at 132. In her handwritten proffer,
Ms. Lewinsky described her meeting with Mr. Jordan that
afternoon: "Ms. L expressed anxiety with respect to her subpoena
requesting production of any gifts from the Pres., specifically
citing hat pins which the Pres. had in fact given her. Mr.
Jordan allayed her concerns by telling her it was standard
language." Lewinsky 2/1/98 Statement at 5.
830. Lewinsky 8/6/98 GJ at 133.
831. Jordan 3/3/98 GJ at 150. Ms. Lewinsky confirmed that
she had such a conversation with Mr. Jordan, although she
believed it took place after a breakfast meeting on December 31.
Lewinsky 8/6/98 GJ at 188; Lewinsky 2/1/98 Statement at 8.
832. Jordan 3/3/98 GJ at 123.
833. Jordan 3/3/98 GJ at 122. He also said: "I did not get
graphic, I did not get specific, I didn't ask her if they kissed,
I didn't ask if they caressed, all of which, as I understand it,
is a part of the act of sex." Id. at 130.
834. Jordan 3/3/98 GJ at 126.
835. Jordan 3/3/98 GJ at 122-24. See also Lewinsky 8/6/98 GJ
at 133-35.
836. Lewinsky 8/6/98 GJ at 134.
837. Lewinsky 8/6/98 GJ at 134.
838. Lewinsky 8/6/98 GJ at 135. According to Ms. Lewinsky,
Mr. Jordan responded, "I don't hug men." Id.
839. Jordan 3/3/98 GJ at 167-8.
840. Jordan 3/3/98 GJ at 169. According to Mr. Jordan, the
President listened with "some amazement" when Mr. Jordan
recounted the conversation. Id. at 170.
841. Jordan 3/3/98 GJ at 173-74.
842. Jordan 3/3/98 GJ at 170.
843. Jordan 3/3/98 GJ at 171.
844. Jordan 3/3/98 GJ at 172. In the days that followed, Mr.
Jordan informed the President that he had succeeded in engaging
Francis Carter to represent Ms. Lewinsky. Jordan 3/5/98 GJ at
27.
845. Clinton 8/17/98 GJ at 64.
846. Clinton 8/17/98 GJ at 65-66.
847. Jordan 3/3/98 GJ at 164-66, 183-84.
848. Lewinsky 8/6/98 GJ at 138.
849. Lewinsky 8/6/98 GJ at 138.
850. Lewinsky 8/6/98 GJ at 138-39.
851. Lewinsky 8/6/98 GJ at 139.
852. Lewinsky 8/6/98 GJ at 139. Mr. Jordan asked what "phone
sex" was. Lewinsky 8/6/98 GJ at 139. Ms. Lewinsky stated that
she may have explained it this way: "He's taking care of
business on one end and I'm taking care of business on another."
Lewinsky 8/6/98 GJ at 143.
853. Lewinsky 8/6/98 GJ at 139-140. In her proffer, Ms.
Lewinsky wrote that she "showed Mr. Jordan the items she was
producing in response to the subpoena. Ms. L believes she made
it clear that this was not everything she had that could respond
to the subpoena, but she thought it was enough to satisfy."
Lewinsky 2/1/98 Statement at 6.
854. Jordan 3/3/98 GJ at 153.
855. The diaries of both Mr. Carter and Mr. Jordan reflect an
11:00 a.m. appointment on December 22, 1997. 902-DC-00000231
(Mr. Carter's diary) and 1034-DC-00000103 (Mr. Jordan's diary).
856. Carter 6/18/98 GJ at 12, 14. According to Mr. Carter,
although Mr. Jordan had previously referred clients to him, Mr.
Jordan had never personally driven them to his office. Id. at
160-61.(857)
857. CITE
858. Carter 6/18/98 GJ at 158-60, 15, 75.
859. According to Mr. Carter's bill, he met with Ms. Lewinsky
for 1.1 hours. 902-DC-00000037.
860. Lewinsky 8/6/98 GJ at 146; Carter 6/18/98 GJ at 25.
861. Lewinsky 8/6/98 GJ at 146-47; Carter 6/18/98 GJ at 25.
862. Lewinsky 8/6/98 GJ at 146. Somewhat at odds with Ms.
Lewinsky, Mr. Carter testified, "I thought I needed to develop an
affidavit recounting what she said to me." Carter 6/18/98 GJ at
65.
863. Lewinsky 8/6/98 GJ at 147.
864. Lewinsky 8/6/98 GJ at 147.
865. Carter 6/18/98 GJ at 29-30; 902-DC-00000038.
866. Carter 6/18/98 GJ at 39.
867. Carter 6/18/98 GJ at 42-43.
868. V002-DC-000000052 - 54 (President Clinton's Supplemental
Responses to Plaintiff's Second Set of Interrogatories); 1414-DC-00000512 - 17 (same).
869. Lewinsky 8/6/98 GJ at 149.
870. Lewinsky 8/6/98 GJ at 149.
871. V0006-DC-00000009 (WAVES records).
872. Lewinsky 8/6/98 GJ at 150-51. In his grand jury
testimony, the President recalled giving her many of these gifts
and acknowledged that it was "probably true" that these were more
gifts than he had ever given her in a single day. Clinton
8/17/98 GJ at 36.
873. Lewinsky 8/26/98 Depo. at 53.
874. Lewinsky 8/6/98 GJ at 151.
875. Lewinsky 8/6/98 GJ at 151-52.
876. Lewinsky 8/6/98 GJ at 152. In her handwritten statement
of February 1, 1998, Ms. Lewinsky wrote: "Ms. L. asked [the
President] how he thought the attorneys for Paula Jones found out
about her. He thought it was probably 'that woman from the
summer . . . with Kathleen Willey' (Linda Tripp) who lead [sic]
them to Ms. L or possibly the uniformed agents. He shared Ms.
L's concern about the hat pin. He asked Ms. L if she had told
anyone that he had given it to her and she replied 'no.'"
Lewinsky 2/1/98 Statement at 6.
877. Lewinsky 8/20/98 GJ at 66.
878. Lewinsky 8/6/98 GJ at 152. Ms. Lewinsky acknowledged in
the grand jury that she had in fact told others about the hat
pin. Lewinsky 8/6/98 GJ at 152.
879. Lewinsky 8/6/98 GJ at 152.
880. Lewinsky 8/6/98 GJ at 152. See also Lewinsky 8/20/98 GJ
at 66.
881. Lewinsky 8/6/98 GJ at 168.
882. Clinton 1/17/98 Depo. at 68.
883. Clinton 8/17/98 GJ at 33.
884. Clinton 8/17/98 GJ at 39. He further testified that he
did not remember that Ms. Lewinsky's subpoena specifically called
for a hat pin. Clinton 8/17/98 GJ at 45.
885. Clinton 8/17/98 GJ at 39.(886)
886. Clinton 8/17/98 GJ at 45.
887. Catherine Davis 3/17/98 GJ at 77-79.
888. Lewinsky 8/6/98 GJ at 154-55.
889. Lewinsky 8/6/98 GJ at 155.
890. Lewinsky 8/6/98 GJ at 155-56.
891. Lewinsky 8/6/98 GJ at 156-58. Ms. Currie could remember
only one other occasion in which she had driven to Ms. Lewinsky's
Watergate apartment. Currie 5/6/98 GJ at 108.
892. Lewinsky 8/6/98 GJ at 158-59.
893. Lewinsky 8/6/98 GJ at 159.
894. Lewinsky 8/6/98 GJ at 159. See also Lewinsky 8/1/98
Int. at 12.
895. Lewinsky 2/1/98 Statement at 7 (punctuation corrected).
896. Ms. Currie stated, at various times, that the transfer
occurred sometime in late December 1997 or early January 1998.
Currie 1/24/98 Int. at 3; Currie 1/27/98 GJ at 56-57; Currie
5/6/98 GJ at 103-07.
897. Currie 5/6/98 GJ at 105-06.
898. Currie 5/6/98 GJ at 126.
899. Currie 1/27/98 GJ at 58. In her first grand jury
appearance in January, Ms. Currie was asked whether she knew who
had been asking the questions about the gifts. She testified:
"Sir, no, I don't." Id. In a May grand jury appearance, Ms.
Currie responded to a similar question by saying that she
understood that Newsweek reporter Michael Isikoff (who had
earlier written about Kathleen Willey) was asking about the
gifts. Currie 5/6/98 GJ at 107, 114, 120. Ms. Lewinsky
testified that she never spoke to Mr. Isikoff. Lewinsky 8/24/98
Int. at 9.
900. Currie 5/6/98 GJ at 107-08. See also Currie 1/27/98 GJ
at 57-58.
901. Currie 5/6/98 GJ at 110. When the OIC later obtained
the box from Ms. Currie by subpoena, it contained various items
that the President had given to Ms. Lewinsky, including (a) a hat
pin; (b) a brooch; (c) an official copy of the 1996 State of the
Union Address inscribed "To Monica Lewinsky with best wishes,
Bill Clinton"; (d) a photograph of the President in the Oval
Office with a handwritten note, "To Monica -- Thanks for the tie
Bill Clinton"; (e) a photograph of the President and Ms. Lewinsky
inscribed "To Monica -- Happy Birthday! Bill Clinton 7-23-97";
(f) a sun dress, two t-shirts, and a baseball cap with a Black
Dog logo on them; and (g) a facsimile copy of a Valentine's Day
message to "Handsome" that Ms. Lewinsky placed in the Washington
Post in 1996.
902. Currie 5/6/98 GJ at 106-07.
903. Clinton 8/17/98 GJ at 51.
904. Clinton 8/17/98 GJ at 115.
905. Clinton 8/17/98 GJ at 46.
906. Lewinsky 8/6/98 GJ at 186. Ms. Tripp, like Ms.
Lewinsky, had been subpoenaed in the Jones case.
907. Lewinsky 8/6/98 GJ at 186-87. Although Mr. Jordan
testified that he never had breakfast with Ms. Lewinsky, see
Jordan 3/5/98 GJ at 60, there is strong circumstantial evidence
supporting Ms. Lewinsky's testimony that she had breakfast with
Mr. Jordan on December 31. Compare Lewinsky 8/6/98 GJ at 187-89
(describing breakfast) with 916-DC-00000003 (Park Hyatt receipt
reflecting breakfast as described by Ms. Lewinsky).
908. Lewinsky 8/6/98 GJ at 186-89.
909. Lewinsky 8/6/98 GJ at 187.
910. Lewinsky 8/6/98 GJ at 187.
911. Lewinsky 8/6/98 GJ at 188; 8/26/98 Int. at 2; 8/1/98
Int. at 13.
912. Lewinsky 8/1/98 Int. at 13.
913. Lewinsky 8/6/98 GJ at 190.
914. Lewinsky 8/6/98 GJ at 190-91.
915. Lewinsky 8/2/98 Int. at 1.
916. 902-DC-00000232 (Mr. Carter's day-planner); 902-DC-00000037 (Mr. Carter's bill).
917. Lewinsky 8/6/98 GJ at 192. Mr. Carter agreed that,
during one of his meetings with Ms. Lewinsky, he asked her sample
questions. Carter 6/18/98 GJ at 110-12.
918. Lewinsky 8/6/98 GJ at 192-93.
919. Carter 6/18/98 GJ at 67-68; Lewinsky 8/6/98 GJ at 194,
199.
920. Lewinsky 8/6/98 GJ at 195.
921. Lewinsky 8/6/98 GJ at 195; Lewinsky 8/2/98 Int. at 3;
Lewinsky 2/1/98 Statement at 9 ("That evening Ms. L placed a
phone call to Ms. Currie asking her to tell the Pres. that she
wanted to speak with him before she signed something the next
day. He returned Ms. L's call a few hours later.").
922. Lewinsky 8/6/98 GJ at 196.
923. Lewinsky 8/2/98 Int. at 3. See also Lewinsky 2/1/98
Statement at 9 ("The Pres. told Ms. L. not to worry about the
affidavit as he had seen 15 others.").
924. Lewinsky 8/6/98 GJ at 197.
925. Lewinsky 8/6/98 GJ at 197; Lewinsky 2/1/98 Statement at
9 ("Ms. L told him Mr. Carter had asked some sample questions
that might be asked of her in the deposition and she didn't know
how to answer them.").
926. Clinton 8/17/98 GJ at 126
927. Clinton 8/17/98 GJ at 129.
928. Lewinsky 9/3/98 Int. at 2.
929. Lewinsky 8/6/98 GJ at 198.
930. Lewinsky 8/6/98 GJ at 198.
931. Clinton 8/17/98 GJ at 48-49.
932. Clinton 8/17/98 GJ at 50.
933. Clinton 8/17/98 GJ at 127, 49-50.
934. Lewinsky 8/6/98 GJ at 199-200; Carter 6/18/98 GJ at 70-73. A draft copy of the affidavit, with minor revisions, was
found in Ms. Lewinsky's apartment in the course of a consensual
search on January 22, 1998.(935)
935. cite
936. Lewinsky 8/6/98 GJ at 200; Lewinsky 2/1/98 Statement at
6 ("After Ms. L received a draft of the affidavit, she called Mr.
Jordan to ask that he look it over before she sign it. He
instructed her to drop off a copy at his office. They spoke
later by phone about the affidavit agreeing to make some
changes.").
937. Lewinsky 8/6/98 GJ at 194-95.
938. Lewinsky 8/6/98 GJ at 202.
939. As originally drafted, Paragraph 6 of the affidavit
stated: "In the course of my employment at the White House, I
met with the President on several occasions. I do not recall
ever being alone with the President, although it is possible that
while working in the White House Office of Legislative Affairs I
may have presented him with a letter for his signature while no
one else was present. This would only have lasted a few minutes
and would not have been a private meeting, that is, not behind
closed doors.(940)
940. 849-DC-00000634. --
941. 849-DC-00000634-35 (emphasis added).
942. Lewinsky 8/6/98 GJ at 202.
943. 849-DC-00000635.
944. Lewinsky 8/6/98 GJ at 202.
945. Jordan 3/5/98 GJ at 11.
946. Jordan 3/5/98 GJ at 11.
947. See Telephone Calls, Table 35. Catalogs of relevant
phone calls are included in Appendix G as a Phone Log, Tables 1
through 50.
948. Carter 6/18/98 GJ at 76-77, 92-93.
949. 902-DC-00000030 (Mr. Carter's bill to Ms. Lewinsky).
950. Jordan 5/5/98 GJ at 210, 214.
951. Jordan 5/5/98 GJ at 218-20.
952. 902-DC-00000232 (Mr. Carter's day-planner).
953. Lewinsky 8/6/98 GJ at 204-05. As to the sentence, "I
have never had a sexual relationship with the President," she
testified that this was not true.(954)
954. Lewinsky 8/6/98 GJ at 204.
(955)
955. Lewinsky 8/6/98 GJ at 205.
956. Carter 6/18/98 GJ at 108.
957. Jordan 5/5/98 GJ at 222. See also Jordan 3/3/98 GJ at
192; Jordan 3/5/98 GJ at 11; Jordan 5/28/98 GJ at 62. Ms.
Lewinsky testified that she told Mr. Jordan on January 6, that
she would be signing an affidavit the next day. On January 13,
she showed him a copy. Lewinsky 8/6/98 GJ at 200, 220.
958. See Telephone Calls, Table 36.
959. Jordan 3/5/98 GJ at 24-26.
960. Jordan 5/5/98 GJ at 223-25.
961. Jordan 5/5/98 GJ at 225.
962. Jordan 5/5/98 GJ at 226.
963. Clinton 1/17/98 Depo. at 72.
964. Clinton 8/17/98 GJ at 74.
965. Clinton 8/17/98 GJ at 75.
966. Durnan 3/27/98 Int. at 1.
967. Durnan 3/27/98 Int. at 2.
968. Durnan 3/27/98 Int. at 2.
969. Lewinsky 8/6/98 GJ at 206.
970. Lewinsky 8/6/98 GJ at 207-08.
971. See Telephone Calls, Table 37, Call 6.
972. Jordan 5/5/98 GJ at 230.
973. Jordan 5/5/98 GJ at 231. Asked whether he had ever
spoken with Mr. Perelman in the past in the context of a job
referral, Mr. Jordan could remember three persons for whom he had
made referrals: David Dinkins, the former Mayor of New York City;(974)
974. Jordan 3/5/98 GJ at 56.
(975)
975. Jordan 3/5/98 GJ at 56. She went on to become the "number two" person in Revlon's
Washington office. Jordan 3/5/98 GJ at 56-57.
(976)
976. Jordan 3/5/98 GJ at 58. -
977. Perelman 4/23/98 Depo. at 10.
978. Perelman 4/23/98 Depo. at 11. In his testimony before
the House Government and Reform Oversight Committee, Mr. Jordan
testified that he helped former Associate Attorney General
Webster Hubbell be retained by Revlon by introducing him to
Howard Gittes, Vice Chairman and Chief Administrative Officer at
MacAndrews & Forbes.(979)
979. Jordan 7/24/97 House of Representatives Testimony at 35-37.
(980)
981. Id.
-
982. Jordan 5/5/98 GJ at 232. Ms. Lewinsky similarly
testified that Mr. Jordan called her back that evening and told
her "not to worry."(983)
983. Lewinsky 8/6/98 GJ at 209.
984. Lewinsky 8/6/98 GJ at 209.
985. See Telephone Calls, Table 37. In addition, Mr. Jordan
placed a two-minute call to a number at the White House Counsel's
office from his limousine at 6:39 p.m.
986. Jordan 5/28/98 GJ at 19.
987. Jordan 5/28/98 GJ at 20-21. Ms. Mills does not recall
having any discussions with Mr. Jordan about Ms. Lewinsky prior
to January 17, 1998. Indeed, she had no recollection of hearing
Ms. Lewinsky's name prior to January 17. Mills 8/11/98 GJ at 10-11.
988. Seidman 4/23/98 Depo. at 37-38.
989. Lewinsky 8/6/98 GJ at 210.
990. Lewinsky 8/6/98 GJ at 210.
991. Jordan 5/28/98 GJ at 30.
992. Jordan 5/28/98 at 39.
993. Jordan 5/28/98 GJ at 59. Mr. Jordan added that the
President's response was one of "appreciation, gratitude." Id.
994. 921-DC-00000770-72 (Clerk's minutes of in-camera
hearing).
995. Sheldon 4/34/98 Depo. at 22.
996. Lewinsky 8/6/98 GJ at 214.
997. Lewinsky 8/6/98 GJ at 215.
998. 831-DC-00000010. At some point, Ms. Currie and Ms.
Lewinsky decided that they would use a code name -- Kay -- when
leaving messages for each other. Currie 7/22/98 GJ at 175;
Lewinsky 8/6/98 GJ at 215-17.
999. Bowles 4/2/98 GJ at 78-79. Mr. Bowles placed this
conversation with the President at some time between January 4
and January 20. Bowles 4/2/98 GJ at 78. Mr. Podesta recalled
that Mr. Bowles passed this request on to him "three or four days
before the President's deposition" -- that is, January 13 or
January 14, though Mr. Podesta did not know who had originated
the request. Podesta 6/16/98 GJ at 21-22.
1000. Bowles 4/2/98 GJ at 78.
1001. Bowles 4/2/98 GJ at 78-79; Podesta 6/16/98 GJ at 24-28;
Hilley 2/11/98 Int. at 2; Hilley 5/26/98 GJ at 7-11.
1002. Podesta 6/16/98 GJ at 24; Hilley 2/11/98 Int. at 2.
1003. Hilley 2/11/98 Int. at 2; Hilley 5/26/98 GJ at 10-11;
Hilley 5/19/98 GJ at 74-76. In the grand jury, Mr. Hilley
testified: "At this time, I don't recall that piece of the
conversation [dealing with Ms. Lewinsky's leaving Legislative
Affairs under less than favorable circumstances] with John
Podesta." Id. at 76.
1004. Lewinsky 8/6/98 GJ at 215. At 2:20 p.m., Ms. Currie
paged Ms. Lewinsky again: "Please call me. Kay." 831-DC-00000010. In the grand jury, Ms. Currie stated that she could
not remember whether the January 13 page-messages to Ms. Lewinsky
involved attempts to notify her of the status of the President's
efforts to secure a letter of recommendation for her.(1005)
1005. Currie GJ 7/22/98 at 147-148.
-
1006. 830-DC-00000007.
1007. Clinton 8/17/98 GJ at 111-13.
1008. Lewinsky 8/6/98 GJ at 220-21. Mr. Jordan traveled to
Florida in the early afternoon. 1034-DC-00000109 (Mr. Jordan's
day-planner). Soon after arriving in Florida, he called Ms.
Hernreich's line at the White House. See Telephone Calls, Table
42. Later that evening, he spoke with the President for nearly
four minutes. 1064-DC-00000008 (Mr. Jordan's hotel bill). In the
grand jury, Mr. Jordan testified that it is "not inconceivable"
that they mentioned Ms. Lewinsky. Jordan 5/28/98 GJ at 69.
1009. T30 at 61.
1010. T30 at 114.
1011. T30 at 169-70.
1012. Lewinsky 8/6/98 GJ at 223-25; GJ Ex. ML-5.
1013. Lewinsky 8/6/98 GJ at 223-37. Ms. Tripp, in contrast,
testified that she believed Ms. Lewinsky received assistance in
drafting the talking points. Tripp 7/29/98 GJ at 167, 171-172.
1014. Currie 5/6/98 GJ at 120-21.
1015. Currie 5/6/98 GJ at 130.
1016. Akin, Gump records reflect that at some time this day
Ms. Currie left a message for Mr. Jordan. The message slip
listed the name of the caller as "Betty/Potus." The message was:
"Kind of important." V005-DC-00000058.
1017. Lewinsky 8/6/98 GJ at 229. Ms. Currie had immediately
informed Ms. Lewinsky of Mr. Isikoff's call. 831-DC-00000008
(Ms. Lewinsky's pager records).
1018. Jordan 3/5/98 GJ at 71.
1019. Jordan 3/5/98 GJ at 71.
1020. T22 at 12.
1021. T22 at 12-13.
1022. Ungvari 3/19/98 GJ at 61.
1023. V0002-DC-00000093-116 (President Clinton's Responses to
Plaintiff's Second Set of Requests).
1024. 1441-DC-00001534-46 (Second Set of Requests From
Plaintiff to Defendant Clinton for Production of Documents). Ms.
Lewinsky's name was misspelled on the document request as Ms.
Lewisky.
1025. 921-DC-00000775 - 778.
1026. Carter 6/18/98 GJ at 123.
1027. 921-DC-00000775. Although the motion (and affidavit)
reached the Judge's chambers on January 17, the file stamp date
was January 20, 1998.
1028. Clinton 1/17/98 Depo. at 1 (849-DC-00000352 et seq.).
1029. Clinton 1/17/98 Depo. at 1-2.
1030. Clinton 1/17/98 Depo. at 10.
1031. Clinton 1/17/98 Depo. at 22-23; 849-DC-00000586
(Clinton Depo. Ex. 1).
1032. Clinton 1/17/98 Depo. at 54.
1033. Clinton 1/17/98 Depo. at 54. In addition, as
previously indicated, Mr. Jordan believes he informed President
Clinton on January 7 that Ms. Lewinsky had signed an affidavit
denying that there had been a sexual relationship. Jordan 5/5/98
GJ at 223-25.
1034. Clinton 1/17/98 Depo. at 53-56.
1035. Clinton 1/17/98 Depo. at 50-51, 58-59.
1036. Clinton 1/17/98 Depo. at 52-53, 59.
1037. Clinton 1/17/98 Depo. at 59.
1038. Clinton 1/17/98 Depo. at 62-64.
1039. Clinton 1/17/98 Depo. at 75-77.
1040. Clinton 1/17/98 Depo. at 75-76.
1041. Clinton 1/17/98 Depo. at 75.
1042. Clinton 1/17/98 Depo. at 68.
1043. Clinton 1/17/98 Depo. at 68-71.
1044. Clinton 1/17/98 Depo. at 72, 79-83.
1045. Clinton 1/17/98 Depo. at 78.
1046. Clinton 1/17/98 Depo. at 212-13.
1047. Podesta 6/16/98 GJ at 62.
1048. Lindsey 2/19/98 GJ at 12-13. Mr. Lindsey refused to
reveal the content of these conversations with the President,
citing the presidential communication, deliberative process, and
attorney-client privileges, both officially and privately, as
well as the attorney work product doctrine. Id. at 13.
1049. Lindsey 2/19/98 GJ at 14-15.
1050. See Telephone Table 46, Call 4; Currie 1/27/98 GJ at
65-66; Currie 5/7/98 GJ at 79-85; Currie 7/22/98 GJ at 154. See
also Currie 1/24/98 Int. at 5-6 ("CURRIE advised that sometime
late that evening, she received a telephone call from CLINTON.
CURRIE advised that CLINTON said he and CURRIE needed to talk.
CURRIE advised it was too late to do anything that evening, so
she and CLINTON agreed to meet at the White House at 5 p.m. the
following day, Sunday, January 18, 1998."). Presidential call
logs reflect that the President attempted to call Ms. Currie at
7:02 p.m. on January 17, 1998, and that he spoke to her for two
minutes at 7:13 p.m. 1248-DC-00000307.
1051. Currie 5/7/98 GJ at 91. Also that evening, the
President called Mr. Jordan, who testified that they did not
discuss the afternoon deposition. See Telephone Table 46, Call
2; Jordan 5/28/98 GJ at 94-95.
1052. Currie 1/27/98 GJ at 70.
1053. Currie 1/27/98 GJ at 67.
1054. Currie 1/27/98 GJ at 76.
1055. Currie 1/27/98 GJ at 70, 76; 7/22/98 GJ at 6, 22.
Presidential call logs reflect that the President called Ms.
Currie before their meeting and spoke to her from 1:11 p.m. to
1:14 p.m. on January 18. 1248-DC-00000313.
1056. Currie 1/27/98 GJ at 70.
1057. Currie 1/27/98 GJ at 73 ("[M]y impression was that he
was just making statements.").
1058. Currie 1/24/98 Int. at 6-7. The President repeated
these statements to Ms. Currie a few days later. See infra.
1059. Currie 1/27/98 GJ at 71-74; 7/22/98 GJ at 6-7, 10-11,
79. See also Clinton 8/17/98 GJ at 55-57. According to Ms.
Currie, the way the President phrased the inquiries made them
sound like both questions and statements at the same time.
Currie 1/24/98 Int. at 6.
1060. Currie 1/27/98 GJ at 74-75. (1061)
1061. Currie 1/27/98 GJ at 69-76; Currie 7/22/98 GJ at 6-16. Ms. Currie did alter a
statement that she previously made to the FBI agents shortly after the events in question. Ms.
Currie explained that the President's statement to her that, "She wanted to have sex with me, and
I can't do that," appeared simply intended as a statement, not a statement he wanted Ms. Currie
to agree with. Currie 1/27/98 GJ at 73; Currie 7/22/98 GJ at 23.
-
(1062)
1062. Currie 1/27/98 GJ at 75-76; Currie 7/22/98 GJ at _____..
-
1063. Currie 1/27/98 GJ at 71, 75.
1064. Currie 7/22/98 GJ at 65-66. Indeed, she testified
that, at some point after January 18, she heard that Ms. Lewinsky
visited the Oval Office on Saturdays, one of her days off.
Currie 7/22/98 GJ at 65-66.
1065. Currie 1/27/98 GJ at 32-33; 36-38.
1066. Currie 7/22/98 GJ at 12, 15-6; Currie 1/27/98 GJ at 76.
1067. Currie 7/22/98 GJ at 14. The President, apparently,
had a similar understanding of "alone." Before the grand jury,
the President explained that "when I said, we were never alone,
right . . . I meant that she [Ms. Currie] was always in the Oval
Office complex, in that complex, while Monica was there."
Clinton 8/17/98 GJ at 132.
Elsewhere in her testimony, Ms. Currie appeared to have a
different understanding of "alone." She testified that, on one
occasion, because others observed Ms. Lewinsky in the Oval Office
complex, Ms. Currie accompanied Ms. Lewinsky into the Oval
Office, where the President was working. Ms. Currie explained
that she waited in the dining room while Ms. Lewinsky and the
President met in the study so "[t]hey would not be alone."
Currie 7/22/98 GJ at 130. See also Clinton 8/17/98 GJ at 56 ("I
asked her specifically . . . to remain in the dining room, Betty,
while I met with Monica in my study."). Ms. Currie testified
that she did not want people who had observed Ms. Lewinsky enter
the Oval Office to think that she and the President were "alone."
Currie 7/22/98 GJ at 132.
1068. Currie 7/22/98 GJ at 79. Ms. Currie testified: "The
way the question was phrased to me at the time, I answered,
'Right.' It seemed to me that was the correct answer for me to
give . . . the '[c]ome on to me,' I considered that more of a
statement as opposed to a question." Id. at 80.
1069. Currie 1/27/98 GJ at 75.
1070. Currie 1/27/98 GJ at 83.
1071. Currie 1/27/98 GJ at 72-73; 7/22/98 GJ at 7, 10-11.
Ms. Currie testified that the President made this statement in a
way that did not invite her agreement. Rather, "I would call it
a statement, sir." Currie 1/27/98 GJ at 73.
1072. Clinton 8/17/98 GJ at 57.
1073. Clinton 8/17/98 GJ at 132.
1074. Clinton 8/17/98 GJ at 55.
1075. Clinton 8/17/98 GJ at 141.
1076. Clinton 8/17/98 GJ at 55.
1077. Clinton 8/17/98 GJ at 135-36 ("As far as I know, she is
unaware of what happened on the, on the occasions when I saw her
in 1996 when something improper happened. And she was unaware of
the one time that I recall in 1997 when something happened.").
1078. Clinton 8/17/98 GJ at 38.
1079. Clinton 8/17/98 GJ at 57-58, 132.
1080. Clinton 8/17/98 GJ at 133.
1081. Clinton 8/17/98 GJ at 133.
1082. Clinton 8/17/98 GJ at 135.
1083. Clinton 8/17/98 GJ at 139. The President referred to a
statement he delivered in the beginning of his grand jury
appearance: "[B]ecause of privacy considerations affecting my
family, myself, and others, and in an effort to preserve the
dignity of the office I hold, this is all I will say about the
specifics of these particular matters." Clinton 8/17/98 GJ at
10.
1084. At 5:12 p.m., Ms. Currie paged Ms. Lewinsky, leaving
the message: "Please call Kay at home." At 6:22 p.m., Ms.
Currie paged Ms. Lewinsky: "Please call Kay at home." At 7:06
p.m., Ms. Currie paged Ms. Lewinsky: "Please call Kay at home."
At 8:28 p.m., Ms. Currie paged Ms. Lewinsky: "Call Kay." 831-DC-00000008 (Ms. Lewinsky's pager records) (Ms. Lewinsky's pager
recorded calls in Pacific time). See also Currie 5/7/98 GJ at
96-97; 7/22/98 GJ at 156, 158.
1085. Currie 5/7/98 GJ at 99-100.
1086. Telephone Calls, Table 47, Call 11. See also Currie
7/22/98 GJ at 161-62.
1087. See Telephone Calls, Table 48. At 7:02 a.m. she paged
Ms. Lewinsky, leaving the message: "Please call Kay at home at
8:00 this morning."(1088)
1089. Ms. Currie admitted that these calls were not of a social nature. Currie 7/22/98 GJ at
161.
- (1090)
1090. Currie 5/7/98 GJ at 104; 7/22/98 GJ at 161-62. -
-
1091. Currie 7/22/98 GJ at 162-63. This time, Ms. Currie
left a more urgent message: "Please call Kay re: family
emergency." 831-DC-00000009 (Ms. Lewinsky's pager records). See
Telephone Calls, Table 48, Call 7.
1092. Currie 7/22/98 GJ at 157-59; 164-66. (1093)
1093. Currie 7/22/98 GJ at 162.
1094. Jordan 6/9/98 GJ at 17. See also Telephone Calls,
Table 48 (831-DC-00000009) (Ms. Lewinsky's pager records).
1095. Jordan 6/9/98 GJ at 38-39.
1096. Carter 6/18/98 GJ at 146.
1097. Jordan 6/9/98 GJ at 54-55.
1098. Schmidt, Baker, and Locy, "Clinton Accused of Urging
Aide To Lie," Wash. Post, Jan. 21, 1998, at A1.
1099. Podesta 6/23/98 GJ at 12.
1100. See Telephone Calls, Table 50.
1101. Mr. Bennett was apparently referring to Ms. Lewinsky's
affidavit.
1102. Clinton Accused at A1.
1103. Mr. Lindsey, on instructions from the President, see
Lindsey 8/28/98 GJ at 23, has invoked the presidential
communication privilege, the deliberative process privilege, the
governmental attorney-client privilege, and President Clinton's
personal attorney-client privilege with regard to conversations
with the President and has thus refused to disclose what the
President said to him on January 21. Lindsey 2/19/98 GJ at 42.
Mr. Lindsey has testified, however, that based on the President's
public statements and statements made to others in Lindsey's
presence, the President misled him about the nature of his
relationship with Ms. Lewinsky. Lindsey 8/28/98 GJ at 93-96,
101.
1104. Currie 5/7/98 GJ at 112-14.
1105. Lindsey 8/28/98 GJ at 90. Mr. Lindsey, citing
privileges, refused to testify about the substance of this
conversation.
1106. 1034-DC-00000111 (Mr. Jordan's calendar). See also
Jordan 3/5/98 GJ at 79 (St. Regis Hotel), 160-61 (New York), 179
(the President's phone call); Jordan 6/9/98 GJ at 76.
1107. See Telephone Calls, Table 50, Call 6. See also
Lindsey 8/28/98 GJ at 90. Mr. Lindsey asserted privileges over
this conversation as well.
1108. White House Press Conference (Mike McCurry), Jan. 21,
1998.
1109. Lindsey 8/28/98 GJ at 11-12.
1110. Bowles 4/2/98 GJ at 84. See also Podesta 6/16/98 GJ at
85-86.
1111. Ickes 6/10/98 GJ at 73.
1112. Ms. Currie could not recall whether the President
called her into the Oval Office to discuss Ms. Lewinsky on
Tuesday, January 20, or Wednesday, January 21. Currie 1/27/98 GJ
at 80-81.
1113. Currie 1/27/98 GJ at 80-81.
1114. Currie 1/27/98 GJ at 81.
1115. Currie 1/24/98 Int. at 8. The President did not
specifically recall this second conversation with Ms. Currie, but
did not dispute that it took place: "I do not remember how many
times I talked to Betty Currie or when. I don't. I can't
possibly remember that. I do remember when I first heard about
this story breaking, trying to ascertain what the facts were,
trying to ascertain what Betty's perception was." Clinton
8/17/98 GJ at 141-42.
1116. Blumenthal 2/26/98 GJ at 19.
1117. Blumenthal 6/4/98 GJ at 48-49. When later asked how he
interpreted the President's statement, "I haven't done anything
wrong," Mr. Blumenthal stated, "My understanding was that the
accusations against him which appeared in the press that day were
false, that he had not done anything wrong. . . . He had not had
a sexual relationship with her, and had not sought to obstruct
justice or suborn perjury."(1118)
1118. Blumenthal 6/26/98 at 26.
1119. Blumenthal 6/4/98 GJ at 49. The President said, "I've
gone down that road before, I've caused pain for a lot of people
and I'm not going to do that again." Blumenthal 6/4/98 GJ at 49.
Mr. Blumenthal "understood [this statement] to mean that he had
had an adulterous relationship in the past, which is something he
made very plain to the American people in his "60 Minutes"
interview with the First Lady, which is how he introduced himself
to the public . . . . And it's been very well known."
Blumenthal 6/25/98 GJ at 32.
1120. Blumenthal 6/4/98 GJ at 49.
1121. Blumenthal 6/4/98 GJ at 50.
1122. Blumenthal 6/4/98 GJ at 49-50; Blumenthal 6/25/98 GJ at
15, 51.
1123. Podesta 6/16/98 GJ at 92.
1124. Podesta 6/16/98 GJ at 92. The President made another
misleading statement about his relationship with Ms. Lewinsky to
Mr. Podesta a few weeks later. According to Mr. Podesta, "[h]e
said to me that after she [Ms. Lewinsky] left [the White House],
that when she had come by, she came by to see Betty, and that he
-- when she was there either Betty was with them -- either that
she was with Betty when he saw her or that he saw her in the Oval
Office with the door open and Betty was around -- and Betty was
out at her desk."(1125)
1125. Podesta 6/16/98 GJ at 88.
1126. Clinton 8/17/98 GJ at 101-09.
1127. Clinton 8/17/98/ GJ at 101, 106. The President was
asked specifically whether he denied telling Mr. Podesta that he
did not have any kind of sex whatsoever, including oral sex, with
Ms. Lewinsky. The President responded: "I'm not saying that
anybody who had a contrary memory is wrong. I do not remember."
Clinton 8/17/98 GJ at 105.
1128. In claiming that this statement was true, the President
was apparently relying on the same tense-based distinction he
made during the Jones deposition. See Clinton 8/17/98 GJ at 59-61 ("It depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is. If the
-- if he -- if 'is' means is and never has been, that is not --
that is one thing. If it means there is none, that was a
completely true statement. . . . Now, if someone had asked me on
that day, are you having any kind of sexual relations with Ms.
Lewinsky, that is, asked me a question in the present tense, I
would have said no. And it would have been completely true.")
1129. Clinton 8/17/98 GJ at 107.
1130. Clinton 8/17/98 GJ at 107.
1131. Broadcast on "All Things Considered" on National Public
Radio, 5:07 p.m., Wednesday, January 21, 1998.
1132. "The News Hour with Jim Lehrer," PBS, interview with
President Bill Clinton by Jim Lehrer, Wednesday, January 21,
1998. As evidenced by his grand jury testimony, the President is
attentive to matters of verb tense. Clinton 8/17/98 GJ at 59.
1133. Televised Remarks by President Clinton at Photo
Opportunity at the White House with Palestinian Authority
Chairman Yasser Arafat, January 22, 1998, 10:22 a.m.
1134. Roll Call, Inc., January 22, 1998; transcript of press
conference.
1135. "All Things Considered," January 21, 1998.
1136. "The News Hour," January 21, 1998.
1137. Televised Remarks By President Clinton at Photo
Opportunity at the White House with Palestinian Authority
Chairman Yasser Arafat, January 22, 1998, 10:22 a.m.
1138. Roll Call, Inc., January 22, 1998. President Clinton
was extended invitations to appear before the grand jury and give
his testimony on: January 28, 1998; February 4, 1998; February 9,
1998; February 21, 1998; March 2, 1998; and March 13, 1998. He
declined all of these invitations. On July 16, 1998, the grand
jury issued the President a subpoena. The President promptly
moved for a postponement of two weeks in which to respond. At a
hearing on the President's motion, Chief Judge Norma Holloway
Johnson stated, "What we need to do is to move forward and move
forward expeditiously. . . . [A]pparently the grand jury has
determined that [they] need to hear from the [President]." In re
Grand Jury Proceedings, Misc. No. 98-267, July 28, 1998, at pp.
27-28. Before Judge Johnson ruled, the President's attorneys
negotiated the terms of the President's appearance.
1139. Morris 8/18/98 GJ at 6, 10, 12. Mr. Morris was
questioned after the President's grand jury appearance on August
17, 1998; accordingly, the OIC never had an opportunity to
question the President about this conversation.
1140. Morris 8/18/98 GJ at 14.
1141. Mr. Morris testified that he interpreted the
"something" to be sexual in nature. Morris 8/18/98 GJ at 94.
1142. Morris 8/18/98 GJ at 14.
1143. Morris 8/18/98 GJ at 15.
1144. Morris 8/18/98 GJ at 15-16.
1145. Morris 8/18/98 GJ at 17.
1146. Morris 8/18/98 GJ at 28.
1147. Morris 8/18/98 GJ at 30.
1148. Morris 8/18/98 GJ at 34. Mr. Morris believed that Ms.
Lewinsky's credibility was in question based on a claim by a USA
Today reporter that there was an occasion when the President and
Mr. Morris spoke on the telephone while they each were involved
in a sexual encounter. The President was reportedly "having sex"
with Ms. Lewinsky while Mr. Morris was allegedly involved with a
prostitute at the Jefferson Hotel. Morris 8/18/98 GJ at 32, 34.
1149. Morris 8/18/98 GJ at 35.
1150. Thomason 8/11/98 GJ at 6.
1151. Although Mr. Thomason originally offered to stay with
the President for a "couple of days," he stayed at the White
House Residence for 34 days. Thomason 8/11/98 GJ at 6, 10. Mr.
Thomason testified that while "not particularly an expert in
media matters . . . my wife and I seem to have a feel of what the
rest of America is thinking. . . ." Thomason 8/11/98 GJ at 24.
1152. Thomason 8/11/98 GJ at 15-16. Mr. Thomason said he
"went on the assumption that [the allegations] were not true,"
but he never asked the President because he talked to his
attorney, Robert Bennett (also the President's personal
attorney), who advised him "to make sure you don't ask questions
that will get you subpoenaed." Id. at 22, 27. Mr. Thomason also
testified he did not ask the President whether the denial was
true because "I wanted it to be true and I felt it not to be
true." Id. at 32-33.
1153. Thomason 8/11/98 GJ at 15.
1154. Thomason 8/11/98 GJ at 27.
1155. Schmidt and Baker, "Ex-Intern Rejected Immunity Offer
in Probe," Wash. Post, Jan. 24, 1998, at A1.
1156. Schmidt and Baker, "Ex-Intern Rejected Immunity Offer,"
at A1.
1157. Larry King Weekend, Jan. 24, 1998, Transcript No.
98012400V42.
1158. In fact, the President did draw a distinction between
"is" and "was." See Clinton 8/17/98 GJ at 59.
1159. Larry King Weekend, Jan. 24, 1998, Transcript No.
98012400V42.
1160. Televised Remarks by President Clinton at the White
House Education News Conference, Monday, January 26, 1998, 10:00
a.m. See Chi. Tribune, Jan. 27, 1998, at 1 ("A defiant President
Clinton wagged his finger at the cameras and thumped the lectern
Monday as he insisted he did not have sex with a young White
House intern or ask her to deny it under oath.").
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